Talking Point

18 year West Ham fan banned for using a Under 16 ticket

Following the discounted community ticket debate of this week there has been much talk on twitter and West Ham forums about a 18 Year West Ham fan allegedly fined £1,100 and banned for Life from West ham for using an under 16 ticket.

I often find although there is an element of truth in these internet rumours some of the facts are wrong or misleading. I have spoken to a source close to the club and the fan in question himself to get to the bottom of this story. I understand the 18 year old fan was arrested in the East Stand during the Manchester City game last weekend.

As there is an ongoing police investigation it wouldn’t be fair to name the fan or discuss any details to prejudice that investigation.

The price of East Stand renewal of Season Ticket (Band 2) for a young adult (under 22) is £410 this season while the Under 16 season ticket is £255. That works out a short fall of £155 per season. If you multiple this by two seasons than you get £310 plus the difference of a large number of away games which takes it up to the £1100 talked about in tweets and forums.

However this is not a fine imposed by the club. This is what they are asking for back in lost revenue.

I understand the club has written to the fan this week and suspended his season ticket card and banned him from the ground until the £1100 is paid back. Not exactly the life ban that some have suggested unless the debt remains unpaid for life.

We all know this is wrong but but I can’t help feel sorry for this fan who made a mistake as a young adult and is now paying the price.

Many will point to the high prices of season tickets for a 18 year but the price of Band 2 ticket rises from Under 16 £255 to £410 for a Young Adult until they reach the age of 22. That is a 50% discount on the full £820 price for an adult season ticket which many pay over the age of 22.

Some West Ham fans have pointed to a David Gold quote “back to those early years in the East End. Back then, with no money, there was one thing I could do. I could bunk into West Ham Football Club at half-time for free”

I suppose It all goes to prove we all do silly things when we are younger. How much sympathy the police give to this young man remains to be seen. Hopefully he may get a second chance in life but I don’t think that is in the hands of the club.

Amanda Jacks from the Football Supporters Federation recently blogged about the right of appeal for Club bans. She says…

“Clubs have the legal right to ban whoever they like (so long as they don’t break equality laws). But surely there must be adequate appeals processes in place for fans who feel they’ve been unfairly treated? Not always, and different clubs handle things in very different ways. It’s rare for a football club to operate any type of “due process” when banning supporters from their ground. We’ve heard from fans banned for all manner of reasons and, in our experience, it can take considerable time to get their bans lifted. We recognise that clubs have every right to refuse admission to supporters but feel such a drastic step should only be taken after both sides have been heard – a transparent banning process that gives a supporter the chance to have their say. Even when a Football Banning Order has not been handed out, or a fan has been acquitted by the courts, clubs sometimes choose to ban fans from their stadium. Is this reasonable? The majority of clubs offer no processes or procedures acting as judge, jury and executioner, which leaves fans at the whim of the club Safety Officer who is often behind such decisions. Thanks to ticket Terms & Conditions supporters have no right to a refund for games missed if they are season ticket holders meaning, effectively, clubs are imposing a financial penalty as well as depriving the supporter of the ability to support his or her team”

The full article can be found here

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Match Preview: Swansea City vs West Ham

From West Ham United Stats

Swansea City vs West Ham United

Head to Head
Head to Head Win : Swansea City: 30.9; West Ham United: 47.3%
Won: Swansea City: 17; West Ham United: 26
Drawn: Swansea City: 12; West Ham United: 12
Lost: Swansea City: 26; West Ham United: 17
Goals Scored: Swansea City: 73; West Ham United: 107
Goals Conceded: Swansea City: 107; West Ham United: 73

Recent Form
Last 6: Swansea City: L L W L W D; West Ham United: D L W L W L
Goals Scored: Swansea City: 10; West Ham United: 9
Goals Conceded: Swansea City: 6; West Ham United: 9

Home/Away Form: Swansea City: W D L W W D; West Ham United: L L D D L W
Goals Scored: Swansea City: 14; West Ham United: 4
Goals Conceded: Swansea City: 6; West Ham United: 5

Swansea City: Ashley Williams, Ben Davies, Pablo Hernandez
West Ham United: James Collins, Guy Demel, Alou Diarra, Andy Carroll

Swansea City: n/a
West Ham United: n/a

Top Performer (min 5 apps)
Goals Scored:
Swansea City: Wilfried Bony 2; West Ham United: Ravel Morrison 2

Swansea City: Pablo Hernandez 2; West Ham United: Matt Jarvis 2

Passing Accuracy:
Swansea City: Leon Britton 94%; West Ham United: Stewart Downing 88%

Chances Created per game:
Swansea City: Pablo Hernandez 2; West Ham United: Stewart Downing 2.3

Successful Dribbles per game:
Swansea City: Pablo Hernandez 1.7; West Ham United: Mohamed Diamé 2.4

Tackles Won per game:
Swansea City: Ben Davies 2.3; West Ham United: Mohamed Diamé 3.1

Aerial Duels Won per game:
Swansea City: Chico Flores 3.1; West Ham United: Modibo Maïga 6.2

For the full match preview, including my pre match analysis with special focus on Swansea’s keep ball tactics, the dangers of Michu and Bony, the impressive Ben Davies, and additional stats including each side’s in-form player, a summary of the last meeting, top five performers, and a managerial head to head, head to West Ham United Stats

Tom Aldworth / hammerstats

Talking Point

Get Your West Ham Trainers Here!

Now before you start, I make no money out of advertising these rather nifty trainers – no commission on sales, nothing. But I’ve just bought a pair and thought you might like to be alerted to their existence.

Anyway. Mark Noble might like to pack a pair when he joins the England squad in Brazil next summer. Fat chance, mate. Not because you don’t deserve to, Mark, you do. But do any of us think Nobes has even a sniff of getting on that plane? Nope, me neither. If he played for one of the top four clubs he might, but I don’t think Roy Hodgson is going to consider any West Ham player apart from Andy Carroll, and possibly Ravel Morrison. Jarvis and Downing won’t get a look in either. I very much hope I am proved wrong, but I doubt I will be.

Talking Point

The truth about the West Ham Community Discount Ticket Offer

There has been much coverage of the discounted local community tickets at the West ham v Man City match last.It has also brought some unwelcome press in the Daily Express, Star and Mail.

I understand there is much mis-information on this subject.

The first thing to explain is this discounting of tickets for the local community is nothing new for West Ham. The discounted community trust offer started at Wigan home match last season and was featured on BBC Match of the Day. I understand around 400 tickets were discounted during that first match.

There was another community discount ticket offer at the Stoke home match for another 80 people from one particular community project.

There have been allegations that between 2,000 and 2,500 discounted tickets were sold. I understand the true number to be around 1,500.

West Ham say they have nothing to hide and are proud of their close links the Community. The West Ham United Community Sports Trust website clearly states that affordable match day tickets are available for pupils in Schools in East London and Essex are priced at £5, Tickets for Junior Football clubs with accompanying parents are available for £5 for the child with the adult going free of charge and Tickets for Troops can bought tickets for £10

Possibly the biggest difference for this match was it was category A match and every previous community related match had been category B.

I understand the community partners can request discounted tickets for any match. It just so happens there were tickets left for the Man City match and the decision was made to extend this offer to the Man City category A game as the match was unlikely to sell out. This fact appears to have been confirmed by Jack Sullivan when he tweeted “The 5 pound ticket were [Sic] a one off to the local community to fill empty seats for a TV game”

Stories that locals were given free tickets or that 2,500 tickets were given to Newham council to distribute are wide of the mark.

The main community partners for this match were: Premier League Kicks, Premier League 4 Sport and the Tower Hamlets’ Stifford Centre

West Ham confirmed on Monday in a article that “As per the terms of the contracts with said partners, the tickets were offered at a discounted rate, but absolutely no tickets were provided free of charge and fans from all locations, background, race and religion were included”

Although the media have highlighted a facebook video of a small number of members of the local community praying just before half time I understand no complaints of racism or harassment was made to the club by these local community members. The media seem to going for sensational headlines without any real substance.

I am sure the club has learnt from this experience and need to be much more transparent and up front about these community offers to dispel any ill feeling from season ticket holders/supporters and negative headlines.

There were also reports that members of the local community celebrated Man City goals. I was sitting in the Sir Trevor Brooking lower close to where these tickets were situated and didn’t see that happening. I also know no-one else who did. Many of the local community who came to West ham for the first time were wearing West Ham tops so that accusation doesn’t hold much water for me.

Many of us live and/or work in one of most of the diverse City’s in the world and we are one West Ham Family.

Talking Point

The Kevin Nolan Problem

Depending on what you read, Andy Carroll will be back in the first team within one or two months. With Andy back in the side it will give Big Sam a selection headache that he won’t mind having. Two wingers in Jarvis and Downing knocking the ball into the area with sharp crosses and a certain Mr Nolan ready for any scraps that big Andy will provide. All sounds good, after all, that is why Big Sam bought Downing in the pre-season instead of a proper back up for the injured Carroll. Now, we don’t need to be Einstein to work out from this scenario that this leaves just two other midfield spots to be filled unless Sam changes to a highly unlikely three at the back.

Recent form suggests Noble can’t be dropped and the power Diame brings to the side makes dropping him highly improbable as well. But then we have Ravel and Joe Cole amongst others to consider as well? Now I am sure injuries and suspensions will at times make Sam’s team selection fairly straight forward, and at least having all players to choose from will allow him to pick a side to “suit” the opposition or rotate the squad. The past two games against top drawer teams have seen West Ham play a passing game with a 4-6-0 formation. Flooding the midfield and using alternate players from the six to break forward has worked at Spurs but failed at home to City. One fact that is hard to ignore is that in both games we only secured around 40% of the possession despite having six midfield players. In other words we allowed the opposition in both cases to come at us as we tried to hit them on the break or via a set piece.

In both these games, our captain Kevin Nolan was found wanting in terms of speed and stamina. Playing off a striker is much more to his liking and with Andy back he will probably be allowed to do this. However, as we have seen before, when Sam plays this formation our midfield gets over run far too often. Kevin just does not have the motor to help the midfield out efficiently and stay close to Andy when required. We do however, have a player who can do both and to much greater affect. Ravel. His work rate is outstanding and he can get forward and score goals. He also adds another dimension to West Ham’s play with his speed and dribbling as we saw at Spurs. Whilst Nolan top scored with ten last season, three of them came in the last game of the season against already relegated Reading. Morrison has already scored four goals with thus far limited games.

If you read about Ravel’s rise, at least some part of the players turn around from problem boy to hero boy can be attributed to Kevin Nolan. The man has also played a huge part in turning around West Ham’s dressing room since the murky days of Avram Grant. You rarely see West Ham going down without a fight nowadays and Sam attributes much of this to Nolan’s presence both on and off the field. However, it is not just this season that our captains on field performances have not measured up. Until the Reading game last season, his form had been poor since the start of the year. So far Sam has not even looked like dropping Nolan but will Andy’s return force his arm – or will it cement Nolan’s place in the side even further?

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