West Ham v Tottenham Hotspur
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West Ham v Tottenham Hotspur
FA Premier League
Please use this thread to comment on the game as it progresses.
Opposition Q & A
This week West Ham welcome (is that the correct word?) Spurs to the London Stadium. We have had varied results against our nearest Premier League rivals over the past few seasons, and it is sure to be a great atmosphere inside the ground. Ahead of the game I spoke to Andy of the Spurs fanzine"spursforlife":http//spursforlife.com to discuss the game and his thoughts on the season.
First of all what’s the latest news on the stadium? It seems like it’s being constructed by the same firm that is making Crossrail. You must be dying to get back to White Hart Lane.
Other than what’s been published in media recently there is still no set date for the stadium to open. Last week however I did receive an email saying my season ticket entrance card is now in the process of being sent, so hopefully soon. Wembley is very flat as all our supporters are very spread out, and the council also limit the tickets that are allowed to be sold for certain games.
Anyhow we’re playing at the London Stadium this week, are you confident you can repeat your 2-3 victory of last year against us?
We have not been firing at all this season. We have gotten results, but we need a much improved level of performance to win this game. West Ham always up their game against us so we also need to raise ours.
It’s pretty tight at the top of the table with you being one of five of (the so called Top) six clubs with 6 wins so far. What are your ambitions for the season? To win the League, Champions League berth, or continuing your recent record of ending above Arsenal?
Finishing above Arsenal is nice, but not something the club should focus on as a whole. It’s not a trophy at the end of the day. I don’t feel the league is realistic with the spending power of Man City and the other clubs, and we have lost our first two Champions League games. Top 4 is what we need to aim for again, and I’d be very happy with an FA cup or even the League Cup.
I think a lot of fans look quite enviously at the young crop of players you have at Spurs. But is your lack of investment in players over the summer going to cause you problems during the run in to the end of the season? Is this down to Daniel Levy keeping his wallet closed whilst you finish off paying for the stadium rebuild?
We have a good squad but everyone else has improved around us. I feel we needed to strengthen, but the window is closed now so we have to move on. What is a positive is we didn’t lose any key players. As for why we didn’t spend this summer, that’s not really a question I can answer – I could only make an assumption. The person to ask would be Mr Levy himself I suppose.
Of course you are playing us in the League Cup, so let’s hope that wish doesn’t come true! Pochettino continues to impress, I like the way he handled himself over your summer transfer dealings, compared with the way Jose Mourinho bleated over his. Surely it can only be a matter of time before ‘Poch’ returns to Spain to take on one of the big clubs there?
If he gets an offer from one of the big boys he has earned it I feel. He turned down Madrid this summer, but if he’s not backed in the transfer market his head could possibly be turned.
Do you think Manuel Pelligrini is going to raise West Ham to a new level? What are your thoughts on him?
Pelligrini has won the Premier League, and is a proven winner; he is capable of doing a job at any club. West Ham have bought a lot of new players so he needs time. The team will need to gel and he will need a couple more windows to really make his mark. Once he knows his best 11 he can then improve on it and who knows what he can achieve? Unfortunately, there are a few clubs in the league that can spend more than West ham and Tottenham put together so it’s always hard to reach a new level. Top 8 for West Ham would be a good achievement this season I feel, and possible.
Which West Ham players if any have you got in your fantasy team?
I was bottom of my fantasy league after the first two weeks and I had a good moan and haven’t looked at it since. Maybe I’m More of a Mourinho than a Pochettino.
If you were bottom after two weeks, then given our start I presume that means you had quite of few of them. Which Tottenham players do you wish had been shipped out during the summer?
Well We didn’t sign anyone, so it’s a good thing no one left.
*Even now I cringe when I think of the game at Upton Park when you beat us 3 – 4 in 2007. Any particular memories of games against West Ham? Feel free to mention the Currygate game.
My last ever game at White Hart Lane was the 4-1 victory against West ham so that one I suppose is my favourite memory. I left to travel for a year so didn’t manage to get back there again. As for the worst memory, when we lost 3 nil at The Lane sticks out as Ravel Morrison (what a waste of talent) was on fire. I wasn’t too happy after that game.
Gary Lineker or Harry Kane?
Glen Hoddle or Christian Eriksen?
I’m only 28 so I’ve seen Eriksen play more so I have to go with him.
How are Tottenham likely to line up against us this weekend? Team/Formation?
That’s a question for the manager. Eriksen is fit now though as is Dembele.
Well many thanks to Andy for his time and considered responses. I am sure if he had seen Hoddle play he would have put him above Eriksen. No score prediction from Andy, but for my part on a wing and a prayer I’m going for a famous 2 – 1 home victory. COYI
West Ham Vice Chairman Karren Brady appeared before the London Assembly Budget Monitoring committee at City Hall earlier this week and her performance was impressive.
The Baroness says she finds E20’s match day costs of up to £290,000 per West Ham game quite incredible and she doesn’t understand them.
Brady explained that West Ham’s running costs at the Boleyn Ground before the move were £51,000 per match day including stewarding, police and electricity for the former 35,000 stadium in Green Street. She added even doubling that amount should mean a cost of £102,000 per match day which would be less than West Ham rent for the London Stadium. She says she shared those figures as part of the original tender process. She insisted that West Ham’s rent was not too low at close to £3m per year but the London Stadium running costs were way too high. “I refuse to accept any criticism that our rent is too low, because that is simply not the case. Costs are too high,” Brady said.
Brady claimed she offered free help to the stadium owners 15 times but her offer of advice despite 25 years of running stadia had been refused.
The Baroness also told the London Assembly committee that she has reached an agreement with stadium owners London Legacy Development Corporation (LLDC) on a suite of disputes yesterday with CEO Lyn Garner the evening before before her appearance at City Hall.
Brady says the LLDC has now agreed that West Ham can rename the London East Stand after a West Ham player thought to be Billy Bonds and there is also an agreement to install a statue at Champions place outside the stadium where the Champions Statue from Green Street was supposed to be moved.
She added that there is now an agreement on a new pitch surround which will be mainly claret with West ham crossed Hammers logos with a small London Stadium dark blue edge to it. The West Ham honours board will also be re-instated after the two sides came to an agreement.
The West Ham Vice-Chairman Karren Brady revealed that West Ham United and E20 Stadium LLP will go to court on the 19th of next month. Brady estimated that both sides had spent around £2m each so far and the matter was unlikely to be resolved out of court at this late stage, adding whoever loses would pay the other’s legal costs.
The court case will centre around the judge’s interpretation of the London Stadium concessionaire agreement signed by both West Ham and E20 Stadium LLP in 2013.
The agreement – which is in the public domain after a freedom of information request – defines the minimum football capacity of 54,000 but is strangely silent on the subject of a maximum capacity despite having over 66,000 seats available in the stadium. The agreement does infer that West Ham has the full use concessionaire areas of the stadium on match days which the club are understood to have interpreted to include all the seats within the stadium.
Brady confirmed that West Ham were forced to take out a legal injunction against London Stadium owners E20 to release information to an FA investigation about the Burnley crowd troubles. Brady explained to London Assembly members that initially E20 refused to hand over information for the FA investigation so the club was force to take them to court and won an injunction against them. The Vice Chairman added that the FA hearing about the Burnley crowd troubles which includes a look at the stewarding provision was being heard this week.
Brady also revealed that West Ham took out a second legal injunction against E20 to stop them installing a second tier of LED adverting at the London Stadium as it wasn’t permitted in the 2013 concessionaire agreement with West Ham. Again the Hammers won the legal injunction and the stadium owners were forced to abandon the installation.
West Ham Vice-Chairman Karren Brady had admitted that the London Stadium with its current contracts would be difficult for West Ham to take over despite saying it is something she would look at.
Finishing her evidence to the London Assembly budget monitoring committee she was asked whether West Ham would be prepared to take over or buy the London Stadium.
Brady replied that the club would need to be really clear how UK Athletics, seat moves, long-term stadium maintenance costs and the operator were factored in to even consider it. Brady said “To be blunt, the reason we fixed our rent as a contribution to the operating costs is we did not want to find ourselves in the same position as E20 now find themselves in. We didn’t want to pick up costs of an operator we have no control over so we made an estimate being £51,000 being the cost at Upton Park”
Brady added “If I put myself in E20’s place and I have to pick up the contracts that they have signed which don’t seem to be very commercially geared in my mind with the operator, with seat moves, with UK Athletics and other users then I think that would be a very difficult situation for anyone to take over”
Karren Brady isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but I am glad she is on our side, fighting our corner and negotiating on our behalf.
He is often said she negotiated ‘the deal of century’ for West Ham when signed the agreement for the London Stadium. If that is the case maybe the government should ask her to negotiate BREXIT with the European Union ? ;-)
Dan Coker's Match Preview
Blast from the past
Today’s focus sees us travel back over 115 years, to the 14th February 1903 – this particular Valentine’s Day saw psychoanalyst Carl Jung marry Emma Rauschenbach, the elder daughter of a wealthy industrialist. West Ham United, meanwhile, secured a 1-0 victory over Tottenham Hotspur in front of 8,000 at the Memorial Grounds.
The winning goal was scored by inside-forward James Wallace (pictured). Wallace made his West Ham debut at inside-right in a 1-0 FA Cup third qualifying round victory at Leyton on 2nd November 1901; his only other appearance that season was a 3-0 defeat at Reading three weeks later. He had better luck in 1902/03 when he switched to the inside-left berth against Wellingborough in January 1903 and kept the position for the remainder of that campaign, scoring his first two goals for the Irons in his next two games, a 1-1 draw at Bristol Rovers and 3-2 home win over Northampton. The strike in this featured match against Tottenham was his third and final goal for the club in the eighth of his 18 Hammers appearances. He joined Luton with outside-left Billy Barnes in the summer of 1904.
Syd King’s Hammers would end the 1902/03 Southern League First Division season in tenth position, while Tottenham would finish fourth. Southampton topped the division, The Wednesday won the First Division title and Bury won the FA Cup. Bill Grassam topped the Hammers’ scoring charts that season, with 19 goals from 30 matches.
West Ham United: Fred Griffiths, Aubrey Fair, James Dow, James Bigden, Bill Yenson, Joe Blythe, John Campbell, Bill Grassam, Bill Davidson, James Wallace, Billy Barnes.
A large group of players have turned out for Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United. Divided here by position, they include:
Goalkeepers: Bill Kaine, Charlie Ambler, Tony Parks, Fred Griffiths.
Defenders: Calum Davenport, Paul Konchesky, Mark Bowen, Mauricio Tarrico, Steve Walford, Simon Webster, Chris Hughton, Percy Mapley, Fred Milnes, Mitchell Thomas, Neil Ruddock.
Midfielders: Paul Allen, Scott Parker, Michael Carrick, Jimmy Neighbour, Ilie Dumitrescu, Matthew Etherington, Mark Robson, David Bentley, Charlie Whitchurch, Chris Carrick, Martin Peters, John Smith, John Moncur.
Strikers: Mido, Frederic Kanoute, Almer Hall, Peter Kyle, Sergei Rebrov, Kenny McKay, George Foreman, Dave Dunmore, Teddy Sheringham, Les Bennett, Jermain Defoe, Bill Joyce, Robbie Keane, Fred Massey, Jimmy Reid, Clive Allen, Bobby Zamora, Les Ferdinand, Jimmy Greaves, Harry Bradshaw.
Jack Tresadern played for West Ham and managed Tottenham, while Trevor Hartley also played for the Hammers and managed Spurs on a caretaker basis. Alan Pardew played for Tottenham and managed the Hammers, while Harry Redknapp played for the Hammers and managed both clubs.
Today’s focus is on a current Hammer who started his career at Tottenham Hotspur. Ryan Fredericks was born in Hammersmith on 10th October 1992. He came through Tottenham’s Academy and was named on the bench for the senior side’s 3-1 FA Cup fourth round replay victory over Leeds at Elland Road in February 2010. Injury would keep him out for almost a year but he would make a senior debut for Tottenham under Harry Redknapp in their goalless draw with Hearts in the UEFA Europa League Play-Offs in August 2011, before featuring twice in the Group Stage. He played nine minutes of a 0-0 draw at PAOK Salonika and the full match away to Rubin Kazan which ended in a 1-0 defeat. Fredericks also made one appearance for England Under-19s but found his path blocked by Nathaniel Clyne and Andre Wisdom at Under-21 level. He is eligible to represent Guyana.
Andre Villas-Boas did not give Fredericks any game time in 2012/13, opting to loan him to Brentford instead. Fredericks turned 20 while with the League One side and made his Football League debut for the Griffin Park club, playing three minutes of a goalless draw at Bury in August 2012. Fredericks was finally handed a start back at Tottenham by Villas-Boas in a Europa League Group Stage match against Anzhi Makhachkala in December 2013, but it would prove to be the Portuguese manager’s penultimate match in charge of Spurs. Fredericks won a penalty in the 4-1 victory at White Hart Lane. Tim Sherwood loaned Fredericks to Millwall and the right-back scored his first senor goal on his debut for the Lions in a 1-0 win over Ipswich at The Den.
New Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino sent Fredericks on a season-long loan to Middlesbrough for the 2014/15 campaign. Pochettino allowed Fredericks to leave the club permanently in the summer of 2015, with the 22-year-old signing for Steve Cotterill’s Bristol City. He made five appearances for his new club before requesting a move for personal reasons. He returned to London just 26 days after signing for Bristol City, joining fellow Championship side Fulham – he made 114 goalless appearances for Fulham, registering 15 assists and 29 yellow cards.
Fredericks signed for Manuel Pellegrini’s West Ham on a free transfer in June of this year. He made his Hammers debut in a 4-0 defeat at Liverpool on 12th August this year. Now 26, he has made four appearances to date for West Ham, scoring one goal in the 8-0 League Cup third round win over Macclesfield on 26th September 2018.
The referee on Saturday will be Martin Atkinson. 2018/19 is Atkinson’s 14th as a Premier League referee. Since West Ham United achieved promotion back to the top flight in 2012 Atkinson has refereed 22 of our league matches, officiating in ten wins for the Hammers, three draws and nine defeats. Atkinson is pictured refereeing this fixture in 2010, when the Irons won 1-0 courtesy of a Frederic Piquionne header.
His Hammers appointments last season were our 1-1 home draws with Leicester and Bournemouth in November and January respectively, our 4-1 defeat at Swansea in March, our 3-0 home defeat to Brighton last October and our 4-0 opening weekend defeat at Manchester United in August 2017. His most recent Irons match was our 3-1 win over Everton last month.
West Ham United will be without Winston Reid, Carlos Sanchez, Jack Wilshere, Manuel Lanzini and Andy Carroll. Arthur Masuaku, Robert Snodgrass and Chicharito should all be available. The Hammers have won five of the last 22 Premier League games against Tottenham.
Tottenham Hotspur are without Jan Vertonghen, Danny Rose, Dele Alli and Vincent Janssen but Victor Wanyama, Mousa Dembele and Christian Eriksen should be available. There have been four red cards in the last five encounters between these two sides in east London. Harry Kane has seven goals in his last seven league games against West Ham.
Possible West Ham United XI: Fabianski; Zabaleta, Balbuena, Diop, Cresswell; Rice, Noble, Obiang; Yarmolenko, Arnautovic, Anderson.
Possible Tottenham Hotspur XI: Lloris; Trippier, Alderweireld, Sanchez, Davies; Dier, Wanyama; Lucas Moura, Eriksen, Son; Kane.
Enjoy the game – Up The Hammers!
The Blind Hammer Column
Blind Hammer looks at strategies for defeating our London rivals
We will battle Spurs twice in the next 13 days. What are our best strategies for success?
Tottenham’s Stadium moved has placed their Squad under massive pressure for the foreseeable future.
West Ham has laid out only £15 million to move into the LS. In contrast, Spurs have to find over £1 Billion. No amount of naming rights deals or creative commercial arrangements will prevent this massive debt mountain translating into pressure on recruitment.
The immediate impact of this was revealed in the summer where Spurs, to their fan’s disgruntlement, uniquely failed to recruit a single player.
Spurs will, like Arsenal, have to recruit clever over the next few years. Nevertheless big name recruits are less likely.
Early season results allayed fears over this dramatic recruitment failure. Yet cracks are now emerging and fears that their squad is overstretched are growing.
Spurs continue to compete on all fronts, including intense reverses against Barcelona and Inter Milan.
Yet the Milan reverse provides a clue to spur’s problems. Despite controlling large parts of the game at the San Siro, particularly in the second half, Spurs eventually ran out of gas and Inter were able to stun their lagging opponents with 2 late goals.The less illustrious players of Watford were able to achieve an identical result by again coming from behind to win 2-1.
Spurs also found it virtually impossible to “chase” the game against Liverpool where many of their players, especially their England contingent, were described as lethargic and unfit.
This pressure on their England contingent is not surprising given their late involvement in last summer’s World Cup.
So Spurs have struggled against high tempo, high energy opponents. Their squad exposed, on multiple fronts, is feeling pressure.
Yet Teams which fail to deliver high tempo opposition will suffer. A disjointed, low energy Manchester United found this to their cost.
So, high energy is required more than caution. There is no reason why we should be despondent if we fall behind. Spurs have a record of conceding late goals.
Ideally we would not face Spurs after an International Break. Our greater chances for success will come in the Cup. By then we may expose the fragilities in the depth of Tottenham’s squad.
As ever quality will have to be aligned to energy. If Diop and Balbuena are not completely on their game then Harry Kane will punish us in similar fashion to last season.
In the upcoming battles the energy and passion of Mark Noble are likely to be as important as the skill and quality of Arnautovic. Whatever the score, we should fight for 90 minutes and beyond.