It would appears that Tessa Jowell is digging her heels in on the future use of the Olympics Stadium and the ‘athletics legacy.’
She has been reported as stating that:
”Let’s be clear about this. It will be a grand prix athletics stadium because we need one”
”We have made that commitment, that was one of the reasons that we bid to win the Games and so that is a given.”
Positions on this issue are still appear firmly entrenched. The government, the Olympic Park Authority and West Ham Utd need to hold urgent talks to establish whether a mutually agreeable accommodation is possible or not? If not, then the Olympic Park Authority can get on with building its post-Olympic ‘white elephant’ and West Ham can move on and pursue other options.
It is almost as if colours have been nailed to the mast, via the original Olympic bid, and there is a lack of political will to explore other options. Yet, have not senior figures at the International Olympic Committee (IOC) already stated publicly that they are prepared to accept a more flexible definition of ‘Olympics legacy’ and any move that incorporates football usage? Does not the current recession also give them the context within which to reassess their original plans in light of economic imperatives?
Worryingly for the London Borough of Newham, there is an emerging view that the viability and success of the Stadium will be an important determinant in securing the anticipated post-Olympic social regeneration benefits for the local community. Presumably that is one of the prime reasons why the Labour controlled local Council is supporting West Ham’s bid to move in to the Stadium?
Jowell is also reported as criticising the club’s new owners public statements about a possible Olympic Stadium move, insisting that:
”I don’t think you can jump from a press conference where the new owners sit down and say we’d like to move to the to Olympic Stadium to how it might work.
”In order to make sure we maximise the legacy of the park, we have set up the Olympic Park Legacy Company and they will shortly be inviting bids and business plans from any business that wants to apply for a commercial stake in the stadium and if West Ham want to made a bid at that time it will be considered alongside all the others.”
By ‘all the other bids,’ does she mean Leyton Orient’s rival bid!! Or some underwhelming proposal from a Rugby Union club to take over the tenancy? The reality is that West Ham Utd FC are the only viable bidder with a realistic prospect of bringing in the revenue streams to make it financially viable. Arguably, that is also ‘a given!’ Without West Ham there is every likelihood that the capacity of the ground will be reduced unnecessarily to 25,000 (a total waste) or the 60,000 facility could become an economic liability via chronic under-use. The occasional summer athletics event is not going to raise the necessary income is it?
No doubt some will take the opportunity to see this as a party political issue, but it should be remembered that Tory Lord Coe and Labour Tessa Jowell appear to be taking the same position on this issue of a ‘athletics legacy.’
One can only hope that the trenches are vacated and meaningful discussions can commence on finding a possible solution. Perhaps the detailed planning for England’s 2018 or 2022 World Cup bid will also become a factor?
Regardless, it will be interesting to see how the new owners respond to this latest statement on the future of the Olympic Stadium?
SJ Chandos.
Didn't think this was ever going through. Would've been great to have a World Class Stadium to play in, and I hope I'm wrong, but I just cant see it happening.
Who cares what Tessa Jowell say's, the chances of her or the rest of her inept colleagues having any say on anything come the spring will be pretty remote. As for Seb Coe, he will do what he's bloody well told to do once his paymasters are back in charge.
Spot on roshi – As it is highly improbable that jowell will be anything more than a shadow minister post May, her views on the Olympic stadium are about as relevent as my views on the price of oil. I can comment all i want but, when all is said and done, i can't affect it.
Boris however is in favour of the plan, Seb Coe is open to the possiblity and i suspect that the future tory minister will have no desire for a white elephant stadium.
The post Olympic use is not up to Coe or Jowel but the Legacy Commitee. Its thier view we need to worry about. As you say Roshi Coe will continue to repeat the 'Track must stay' line, he'd be a fool not to in his position.
The stadium can of course be used to stage concerts, other sports events like Boxing etc.. so it may be able to make enough money without a revenue stream from us.
My main concern isnt regarding the track (which is an issue i'd be surprised cant be resolved in the 21st centuary) but our ability to fill a 60,000 seater stadium, i'd like to think we can because of the catchment area and resultent fan base that the Hammers have but we're in the premier league now and often dont sell out Upton Park!
who cares full stop. If we dont move then so be it, we are not filling the current stadium, so there is always a risk that even with cheaper seats, which i would believe when i see, we would fill even less of the stadium and lose what atmosphere we have left at the Boelyn. by the same token i wouldnt be supporting someone else if we move. i dont buy into all this spirital home mallarky, if i did the spirital home i knew had terraces at either end and terraces at the front of either side, the food was still crap but affordable and not franchiesed, there was a programme seller with a speach impediement who walked around the track along with the sweet sellers with tray and the monkey nut man! times change.
And the brass band at half time.
Things will change. All of the politicians are spouting what the Olympic hierarchy want to hear. Once the games are imminent, or over, people will become a lot more practial about the stadium's future use and Tessa Jowell will be in the Old Politicians Home. Not even worth worrying about at the moment.
Roshi, Nail on the head lol.
Go on Tosser Jowel, you carry on wid the crap- who really cares what you say as no one will give a monkeys when you dont have a job at the end of the year apart from screwin up dulwich – dull witch more appropriate! The tories wont want to have the real legacy that will be left to them by the labour party, political suicide, i mean lets be honest how long did it take crystal palace to pay for itself, this place cost 160+ million, wait till its empty doin notin and papers like the dail mail and express start to turn public opinion against it.
Festival of Britain.
The Legacy.( from cambridge encylopedia vol 25.)
Although the Festival was extremely popular and made a profit, it was conceived and executed in haste and with little thought for subsequent use. The Labour Party, who had championed the Festival, lost power while it was open and Terence Conran has speculated that the haste with which the main site was cleared was an act of political revenge by the incoming Conservative Party government.
The whole olypic site is in real danger of becomming a dissaster area! politically and finacially. Mouthy self important B***h.
As for that slimmey liberal tool bag seb coe who was my MP for Falmouth cornwall , another self serving tool bag who needs to remeber that we us, the voters have the power, Steve Ovett was always my favoutrite any way!
Time will tell and well see where they all are in three years time and what will happen to the os.
The problem with the Legacy Committee is that it is run by "committee". Now that is not meant to be a put down to what the committee is trying to achieve and to be honest I am not to bothered whether we move there or not. My problem is that as a taxpayer I feel that we have all had to embrace this Olympic dream and the infrastructure that goes with it whether we agree or not.
Of course the legacy should be protected and affordable housing within the complex made from the athletes village is excellent as is the parkland generated.
However what the "Legacy Committee" should be called is "Protecting the Taxpayers Investment". Recent examples of a Legacy Committee are The Dome, a complete farce from concept to close down until private funding made it into probably the best venue in Europe.
Athens, total disaster since the games departed, resembles a run down bomb site.
Sydney, fabulous stadium hardly used. Barcelona fabulous running track hardly used, now a tourist attraction, however the indoor arena under private management is a vibrant exhibition hall/conference and event center.
If the government were honest with us all they would utilise the Olympic infrastructure so that it would generate income for London in the years to come rather than have stadia that look great for 2 weeks and then disintegrate over the future years like a deserted fairground.
Surely if the offer is there to create an often used facility with no cost implications to the taxpayer, I would have thought that the "Legacy Committee" would accept the idea with great glee that they have solved a problem of what to do with a potential white elephant. But they won't will they, because it is far to straightforward for a Legacy Committee.
SJ – Politics is a game of BS and Jowell has to trot out the party line.
It will be up to West Ham United to prepare a bid that will make it a no brainer.
The door hasn't been shut, I just think that Jowell is echoing what many have said on here re; Sullivan's public musings. Politics is about who you know – I suggest Sullivan starts toadying up to the Olympic Legacy Commitee.
tessa who ? lord coe who ? .lol do you think these people really will have anything to do with what the staduims use will be after the olympics , these two are faces for the committe , they might as well be put on the olympic year coin that you see sell in the middle of the sun news paper for 2.99 plus postage and packaging . the REAL money men will take over after and i beleive west ham are the only ones viable for that staduim . capacity iam still not happy with 60,000 think it would take years and a lot of good cupand league runs to pick up the support needed to fill that week in week out , would not have a problem with 45,000 capacity
Then why not develop the Boleyn to a capacity of 45,000 for a figure estimated at the time BG took over to be around £40M, which included the cost of upgrading transport links to the ground to cope with extra demand.
It also means we still own the ground and therefor every revenue stream that it generates.
agree totally would love for that to happen and still own our ground , i feel really un-easy with not having our own football ground. was watching a programme about birmingham the other day it was about when they tried to get the olympics there before barcalona got it ??? funny not long before that gold and sulivan took over at birmingham city football club……….olympics hit east london …….gold and sulivan buy west ham ? .
And the brass band at half time.There is absolutely no way that £40m would upgrade Upton Park AND the transport links. It might cover the ground upgrade but doing anything to the transport and parking arrangements (and parking is part of the transport infrastructure) would be massively more than that. To really upgrade transport links you would need one or more of the following:
1. A north-south tube line into Upton Park (billions)
2. Dedicated parking in the vicinity of the ground (many millions for the land alone, if you could find it)
3. Three or four park-and-ride car parks with buses running to a designated stop near the ground – would only be used on match days only – (also many millions)
none of these are feasible or cost effective which is why planning permission is highly unlikely for any expansion to the Boleyn.
Roy…when this subject arose about 6 months ago, one of our posters (sorry, can't remember who) posted a link to the agreed transport deal with full plans for re-development of Upton Park Station.
According to Transport for London, they were content with a figure of £1 million for safety work to be carried out at the station to accommodate the added capacity at the football ground should we re-develop the East Stand.
The report stated that they were not looking to add a north-south route into the station, merely improve the platform and safety features already in place)
Apparently WH have already paid £25,000 to cover the cost of the site inspection and report for TFL.
There were no plans for park and ride either although I'm sure that could be sorted at Wanstead Flats should it be needed.
Fair enough, Lofty, but just improving the safety at the station won't really sort the whole issue out. Extra fans means extra cars. With only the district line coming into Upton Park means that many people won't use the tube due to where they live.
I have posted this link before but here it is again. The figure is based on construction costs at the time which have come down considerably since then
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/mihirbose…
Celtic, your an idiot and you keep proving the fact over and over again.
why keep going on the previous inept owners, move on!
Take a small break from being a moron and re-read the post.
news on the website of a settlement with curbs – wonder how much:
West Ham United are pleased to confirm the club has settled all outstanding matters with Alan Curbishley.
Upon taking charge of the club last month along with David Gold, joint-chairman David Sullivan acted straight away in order to reach a settlement that was in the best interests of all parties.
An FA Premier League arbitration tribunal had previously upheld Curbishley's claim of wrongful dismissal following his resignation at the beginning of the 2008/09 season.
Mr Sullivan said: "I am pleased this has all been settled. We moved as swiftly as we could to resolve the matter in a positive manner with Alan and his representatives.
"As football people, we realise this had to be dealt with from a moral and legal point of view as quickly and possible. It was best to draw a line through what had gone on under the previous owners, allowing us instead to focus fully on our challenge of taking West Ham United forward.
"Slowly but surely we are getting this club back on an even keel and there are many reasons to be positive for the rest of the season and beyond. I wish Alan all the best and I am sure he will be given a warm welcome when he next returns to the Boleyn Ground."
In a statement given to the League Managers Association, Curbishley spoke about his record at the club, before saying he "would like to thank David Sullivan for acting quickly and concluding the settlement since his arrival at West Ham". He added that he was looking to the future and that his intention was to return to football management
Probably converted to shares.
ha ha! great shout
gave him a tenner, a curly wurly and a dildo and asked him to reinvest it where the sun doesn't shine
Sullivan and the word moral used in a sentence – does that count as an Oxymoron?
Oxymoron? Isnt that someone who doesnt know how to make stock from a cube?
I hope as a part of his settlement he got a DVD showing footage of Bobby Z banging in the goals at Fulham and of Anton and Linda sitting on their arses at Sunderland.
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you know all this stadium talk is driving me mad.does anyone here honestly think we could fill a 60 thousand stadium when we rarely sell out upton park.as for curbishley well i hope he is happy spending his blood money.i believe he was/is the most boring manager we had.if he was still managing i would have backed my ticket by now.also if the reports of us paying ashton 65 grand for the next three and a half years is true then all the duxberry fans hang yr head in shame.i believe if it is true although i am very sad for the man i think he should be made to work for the club in some capacity for the remainder of his contract.am i being cruel or realistic cos i cant think of many situations of a company paying an employee for three and a half years with nothing in return.i would be interested in what you all think cos i think there is a massive lack of realism in todays game
It's one of football's biggest problems pjdpjd. They hand out contracts willy-nilly without giving a thought to what may happen in the future. Most of us would never be given contracts of this type by employers. We would be on a fixed notice period and, in the event of us not being able to work, a "fair and reasonable settlement" would be reached.
Agreed pjdpjd. We can't fill a 35k capacity stadium for the majority of games, nor can we sell 1300 tickets for ManU next week, so does it really matter? I do have a sentimental attachment to UP, but then I had a sentimental attachment to my 1st house, since which I have moved 9 times, I just can't get exercised by this.
I understand the financial logic behind it, but personally, I'm not comfortable with the idea of WHU not owning their own stadium. I think that could be a very dangerous road to go down,
After all, what is a club? For me, it's the fans and the stadium.
Once a club doesn't have it's own stadium, I think that could be inviting trouble long-term.
I understand that view clack but isn't it a tad sentimental? DDs are portraying what they believe to be a more sustainable long term future for a modern West Ham Utd as I see it. I can't say I'm crazy about the idea but then, like many, I am a conservative (with a small c) at heart.
I tend to agree with the consensus view of the Roshi / Jolly / Roy Clarke / Devo that, post May 2010, Ms Jowell's view is likely to be an irrelevance. Having said that, I can see how her hackles are up with Gold and Sullivan announcing their intentions in such a very public way. Slightly 'gun to the head' in my view.
Slight change of subject…anyone else watching Arsenal v Porto right now?
I have never believed modern day footballers were crooked, but having seen Arsenal keeper Fabianski tonight, I have changed my mind.
The guy has hung Arsenal out to dry with two moments of madness that border on the criminal.
Echoes of Grobbelaar and Hans Segers, me thinks.
Agree Lofty. On the second looked like the ref was in on it as well! This was the same ref that gave the Henry/Gallas goal against Ireland!
Basildon…I reckon they'll find Fabianski's body propping up the Olympic Stadium with Wenger's finger-prints on the cement mixer.
I found it amusing how Wenger was remonstrating with the fourth official and then the referee after the second goal. Fabianski cocked up by picking the ball up and then Campbell made no effort to stand over the ball whils his mates got back to defend the free kick. I really can't understand what Wenger was moaning about – unless he was just asking the officials how much they wanted to ensure Arsenal got a second goal.
Off topic, I see that the class of Wigan and Bolton have contrived yet another bore draw in the basement of the ePL – and yet another perfect result for us. I am losing count how many games recently have ended in stalemate, thus not affording either party that miniscule bit of breathing space from the terrors of the drop zone.
Whatever happens at the season's end, let none of us say that we weren't given every chance by the ineptitude of the relative dross teams that are all around us!
Another 3 points on Saturday – COYI
I was listening to Talk Sport on the way home, the theme was Id rather… than watch Wigan V Bolton. Some of the texts in were comical.
I'd rather Curbishley took his £2.5m and shoved it up his jaksie. Not funny, I know, but certainly heartfelt.
I didn't like Curbishley's reign one bit, Lofty, and I rejoiced when he left but it has to be said that from his point of view his position was made untenable and, in those circumstances, he was due a pay-off.
Headmaster – I didn't think my comments were sentimental.
I'm not against moving away from the Boleyn Ground per se.
But I don't like the idea at all of the club not owning it's own stadium. I think that's a dangerous road to go down. In a way I see it as a form of asset-stripping, and, in the long run could devalue the club enourmously financially.
I dont Know why but I think our new owners are really driving the club to where we all want it to be ,at the very top and because of their ages are doing so as fast as they can!There seems to be a lot of sniping jealousy and hypocrasy of the true values of this pair but they are ruffling feathers kicking arse putting noses out of joint but guess what?they are running a business that needs to get a profit from results instead of a rudderless ship hurtling towards oblivion as the Icebergs and freeloaders used to run it!Very confident nice little Zola will learn to survive fast and Clarke will get the defence as good as Chelski,s.Everyone involved seems to have got a new lease of life from the challenge ahead so hopefully the evidence will be visible against Hull and United.
Why cant UP be converted to a multi event stadium inc athletics?
Then by doing this give us freehold on the new stadium or at least part ownership.
My theory is, they will have to come to us to take the stadium of their hands! No one will want it and it will just become a white elephant. One atheletics meet a year with like 10,000 people max going. It wont be profitable for them.
newsnow reporting this (and yes i know its the mail so I take it with a large dose of salt but still…):
A report in the Daily Mirror today claims that West Ham’s new owners have launched a legal challenge in a bid to claim money back from the Carlos Tevez affair.
West Ham’s joint chairmen David Sullivan and David Gold have issued formal legal proceedings against the Hammers’ former solicitors.
James Nursey writes in the Mirror: "Sullivan feels West Ham were badly advised by their old legal team during the Tevez saga."
The Premier League side were forced to pay a fine of £5.5million and compensation of around £19 million to Sheffield United.
West Ham have also begun legal proceedings against the FA over the retirement of Dean Ashton. The striker picked up the ankle injury that ended his career whilst training with England.
I can't believe we are going to drag this all up again can't we just move on now? Its done and dusted leave it in the past and lets look forward and concentrate on staying in the division – we don't need more off the field gossip / attention at the moment we have had more than our fair share of this in the last few years!
To be honest I think they are right to do this. We were forced into a settlement because of the media storm that surrounded this, The clubs auditors wouldnt sign off on the books while the matter was hanging over us. We didnt conceed this on a matter of law but rather because we were facing being put into administration because of the auditors.
We accepted a punishment knowing we did nothing to deserve it. We should have begun this action the minute the Premier League enquiry cleared us of any wrong doing. I just dont understand why we are not sueing the blunts to get our cash back as opposed to the solicitors but hopefully more details will emerge about this.
I agree with you, Celtic. How we got into this incredible mess defies logic. Everyone was looking for a scapegoat and it turned out to be West Ham.
It's still known as the Tevez affair but it could easily have been known as the Mascherano affair as the circumstances of their moves to the UK were the same with the same owbership issues which, incidentally, did not change when they moved to Man U and Liverpool respectively.
The Premier League rules forbid 3rd party ownership but who got the cash when Tevez moved to Man City? Spot on, the Iranian Car Salesman.
Good point celtic – ridiculous we agreed to pay compensation when we were being cleared by the PL enquiry. And, to make it worse, our CEO was a lawyer too wasn't he? Can't see any harm in spending a few bob to get back a lot more.
I think we will win too
There is no way we shoudl have paid out a penny. Our name was smeared by Sheff Utd and they came out smelling of roses for undermining the spirit of the Premiership by fielding weakened sides towards the end of the season.
This is why they were relegated. The players and Manager are solely responsible.
Tevez didn't play for most of the season anyway. We had practically the same squad as the one that reached the FA cup final. This spirit was undermined by the two new signings. Hostility ensued and the team spirit was smashed. I would argue that we lost points because of Tevez and Mascherano.
Ridiculous ruling. I thought football was made up of a squad of players – 11 on a pitch. Not one.
Yes celtic. West ham should not have paid out a penny. The fact that we are now paying the vultures of sheff utd ridiculous sums of money is extremely hard to take.
The fact remains that no person's season can be quantified in points. Robert Green and Bobby Zamora made an extremely positive contribution over a sustained period. Why was this not mentioned? well, because their performance would be impossible to record in points.
I would also argue that if we are going down this road, then Tevez actually lost us points due to the unsettling effect the two Argentinians had on team morale – and the undermining of the Manager.
Why is Neil Warnock not culpable then? He rested key Sheff Utd players in the run-in thinking that his club was safe from the drop. They dropped points in this period. Why can't West Ham then quantify that in points dropped? Why can't we say if you had played your key players in these games, you would not have lost points, and got relegated, and as such, West Ham would not be held liable in the courts for your relegation.
Of course this is absurd – but no more absurd than the original ruling. We should have not paid a penny. Sullivan and Gold have every right to get every penny back – If this is from the Lawyers or Sheff Utd themselves, then so be it.
One other thing. The matter should have ended when West Ham were penalized by the FA with a record fine of £5Million. That figure was extremely harsh but it was accepted by our club as we all thought this would draw a line under proceedings. The fact that we then had to pay out money to Sheff Utd is absurd. West Ham have been punished twice by draconian fines. This is why West Ham are right to get that money back from the FA.
The FA were slow to act. If they had docked us 10 points it would have meant certain relegation. However, at least the matter would have been swift and closed. The fact that they allowed this to rumble on in the courts had an extremely damaging effect on our club and the FA. They then fined us? and allowed Sheff Utd to do likewise.
The fine payed out to Sheff Utd has to be the most absurd ruling ever in the courts. Good on them for attempting to do what is right and claim the money back. Sheff Utd did not deserve a penny. They were responsible- the club, the players and the Manager but mostly the Manager. To place all responsibility on a rival club is preposterous.
I think they are absolutely right to do this, the original settlement was based on on man's opinion (a Spurs fan), that Tevez alone kept us up.
BTW – A friend's Mum was visiting Mrs DevoDevo yesterday and said that she was in the same class as David Gold in junior school!! Reckons his brother Ralph was better looking.
The Times are reporting that West Ham have paid one years salary to Dean Ashton as termination of his contract. That's fais and equitable I reckon. With that out of the way and the Curbishley settlement (reported to be £2.25m including costs) it does seem that the Davids are moving quickly to get some of the millstones removed from the club's neck.
The Times also reckons that they are looking to resolve the Sheff Utd situation but didn't go as far as mentioning legal action. My best bet is that they will try to do a deal with the Blunts and then look at the feasibility of recovering some of it from the lawyers based on the advice the club were given – which never did seem to be of the highest quality.
If that is the case then that is very good news indeed. one less thing to concern ourselves with.
Curbishley paid off and now ashton. If only Dyer would do one too.
Let's hope we get a percentage of the money back from the absurd Sheff Utd ruling- all because of Henry Winter's testimony. He's just a football journalist for Chuff's sake!!!! Why did we not get Martin Samuel in our defense then – both Winter and Samuel testifying would have showed this whole case up as the farc it was.
Let's get the money back – and turn the spotlight back on Sheff Utd and the lawyers who gave such bad advice.
Why were Sheff Utd then not responsible for fielding weakened teams towards the end of the season – this proved most costly. West Ham were not responsible for this – Why were West Ham not arguing this?
Warnock knows it, we know it – even Sean bloody Bean knows it when he flew into the dressing room in a rage at the manager and players – they let themselves down and should have taken full responsibility.
Neither West Ham or Sheff Utd came out of this at all well – but why one team should be rewarded with huge sums of money is beyond me.
I find it hard to believe that we couldn't have been represented by lawyers who could not rubbish the "evidence" that Tevez's [erformance kept us up. How can you possibly quantify one man's contribution in a team game? If Tevez had not been playing his replacement could have done better / scored more goals etc. Who knows?
Yes i heard last night that G and S are going to launch their own legal proceedings regarding the Tevez affair,I didn't understand the ins and outs of it but The chairmen aren't going to folk out the millions,I must admit I listened but couldn't understand the matters of law being brought forward,sorry!
Good to see Terry Dixon getting called up for the Republic of Ireland U-21 squad, too.
Great news. Hope he gets a game. Who are they playing Devo?
Those giants of world football……………Armenia.
Has anyone seen Dominic Vose play for us?
Apparently he is the new Paul Scholes, is only 16 and is in our academy. Man Utd and Chelsea are after him as he isn't 17 yet.
Let's hope our academy's history is enough for him to stay. It certainly should be. The likes of Chelsea and Arsenal havent produced an English player of any note for 10 years now
The issue over the Olympic stadium will go the same way as the Millrniumm dome & become a white elephant for may years after 2012. Like Crystal palace will fall into disrepair & will definately not become the athletics legacy everyone is pinning their hopes on. We will continue at Upton park for many years & hopefully will find another site that will ensure WH future close to our spritual home.
This is a politics vs business proposition… and business always wins (sorry Iain). Jowell and Coe are not worth the spit of a gooner… Gold & Sullivan are far too smart for these muppets. Long term, the positioning of politicians is insignificant, this white elephant will not survive without a Premiership football club or the WWE base their UK operation here. Our boys will outweigh and outpunch any government employee.
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