Comments on: Poll Results: Sheffield United http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/ Iain Dale's Hammers Diary Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:30:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: bazooka Joe http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12994 bazooka Joe Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:44:06 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12994 To Unhapppy Hammer You are wrong wrong and wrong again but of course entitled to your opinion no matter how vacuous it is! Happy New Year mate not at the game today as I am abroad but I get the feeling you won't be either! You sure you don't work for Mccabe To Unhapppy Hammer

You are wrong wrong and wrong again but of course entitled to your opinion no matter how vacuous it is!

Happy New Year mate not at the game today as I am abroad but I get the feeling you won’t be either!

You sure you don’t work for Mccabe

]]> By: Goatygav http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12987 Goatygav Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:08:51 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12987 Quite right Roy - as a company director Terrence Brown has certain legal obligations to meet. Whether he was at fault or not is neither here nor there. He's acccountable and responsible. Quite right Roy – as a company director Terrence Brown has certain legal obligations to meet. Whether he was at fault or not is neither here nor there. He’s acccountable and responsible.

]]> By: Roy http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12985 Roy Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:05:33 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12985 There was one other perpetrator of the Tevez/Mascherano deal and that was Paul Aldridge. He was the one, I believe, who was accused of lying. The ultimate responsibility rests with Brown as the senior man (the buck stops here and all that) but the CEO - who was then Aldridge and the Legal Director - who was then Duxbury - were compliant in the deal. In other words, the three senior people in the club took a decision which has been costly and unsettling in the extreme. I would agree that the thought behind the deal was probably to set up the sale of the club to the second-hand car dealer. If that had happened I would think we would be in deeper brown stuff than we are now. I think that some of the criticism of BG has been a bit over the top lately. He has been severely hit by the current economic downturn and is no different to many other big-time players in business and finance. Don't forget that he spent £85m of his own money buying the club and then pumped in another £15m. That is very different to the Liverpool situation where the Yanks borrowed the money to buy the club which now has to service the debt. If BG hadn't come in we would now be owned by the car dealer - a far worse prospect. There was one other perpetrator of the Tevez/Mascherano deal and that was Paul Aldridge. He was the one, I believe, who was accused of lying.
The ultimate responsibility rests with Brown as the senior man (the buck stops here and all that) but the CEO – who was then Aldridge and the Legal Director – who was then Duxbury – were compliant in the deal. In other words, the three senior people in the club took a decision which has been costly and unsettling in the extreme.
I would agree that the thought behind the deal was probably to set up the sale of the club to the second-hand car dealer. If that had happened I would think we would be in deeper brown stuff than we are now.
I think that some of the criticism of BG has been a bit over the top lately. He has been severely hit by the current economic downturn and is no different to many other big-time players in business and finance. Don’t forget that he spent £85m of his own money buying the club and then pumped in another £15m. That is very different to the Liverpool situation where the Yanks borrowed the money to buy the club which now has to service the debt. If BG hadn’t come in we would now be owned by the car dealer – a far worse prospect.

]]> By: Doc H Ball http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12986 Doc H Ball Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:50:54 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12986 Re: Brown and Duxbury - the 5.5m fine imposed by the PL can be attributed to both. As Dan said, TB was very much in charge when the deal was first struck which included the agreement that Kia J could sell Mash and Carlitos against PL rules. Of course, this was a sop to the fans and to buyers of the club to make us think we'd made the big time. It's ironic that an agreement which could really hurt W Ham alone is now the root of so many problems for us. After Brown left, it was Duxburry who supposedly ripped the agreement up to allow Carlitos to play the remaining games. But, of course, he didn't really which is why we're here now. Duxbury is our in-house legal counsel! He is a card carrying Man Utd fan! He is a disgrace! His latest quote on the club's official site is a masterpiece in obscuration and an invitation to sell. I know that bad language is barred from this site to curb offensive blogs and encourage reasoned debate. So, Duxbury - farou i rassgat! Re: Brown and Duxbury – the 5.5m fine imposed by the PL can be attributed to both. As Dan said, TB was very much in charge when the deal was first struck which included the agreement that Kia J could sell Mash and Carlitos against PL rules. Of course, this was a sop to the fans and to buyers of the club to make us think we’d made the big time. It’s ironic that an agreement which could really hurt W Ham alone is now the root of so many problems for us.

After Brown left, it was Duxburry who supposedly ripped the agreement up to allow Carlitos to play the remaining games. But, of course, he didn’t really which is why we’re here now.

Duxbury is our in-house legal counsel! He is a card carrying Man Utd fan! He is a disgrace! His latest quote on the club’s official site is a masterpiece in obscuration and an invitation to sell.

I know that bad language is barred from this site to curb offensive blogs and encourage reasoned debate. So, Duxbury – farou i rassgat!

]]> By: Goatygav http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12984 Goatygav Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:13:43 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12984 apologies for the typo - that was "Not sure which reporter wrote this" and not "reported wrote this." apologies for the typo – that was “Not sure which reporter wrote this” and not “reported wrote this.”

]]> By: Goatygav http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12983 Goatygav Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:11:04 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12983 Not sure which reported wrote this but the "Telegraph" has recently been described as a reliable source on West Ham stories - so are we about to lose our captain? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/westham/4074982/West-Ham-ready-to-let-Lucas-Neill-leave.html Personally I wouldn't be too upset to see him go. I don't think he's as good as any of the other first choicers in defence. I spoke with a Blackburn Rovers fan, who's played and scouts for Accrington Stanley and know's his stuff, and he was well pleased to be rid of him. Main reason being his view of Lucas as a paycheck player - happy to turn up and collect his wages and put the occasional decent performance in to keep his place in the team. Not sure which reported wrote this but the “Telegraph” has recently been described as a reliable source on West Ham stories – so are we about to lose our captain?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/westham/4074982/West-Ham-ready-to-let-Lucas-Neill-leave.html

Personally I wouldn’t be too upset to see him go. I don’t think he’s as good as any of the other first choicers in defence. I spoke with a Blackburn Rovers fan, who’s played and scouts for Accrington Stanley and know’s his stuff, and he was well pleased to be rid of him. Main reason being his view of Lucas as a paycheck player – happy to turn up and collect his wages and put the occasional decent performance in to keep his place in the team.

]]> By: jon.london colney http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12982 jon.london colney Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:24:03 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12982 great,i wake up to sky sports putting the boot in on west ham. we have to sell the club before the icelandik bank takes bg's assets to pay off any debts incoured.premier league have told west ham were to be deducted points IF we were to go into administration.we know the rules so why publicly tell us? im turning the telly off for a month,not reading a news paper or anything on line,this is not a happy time and 31st january cant come quick enough.or should i say that indian geeza with all the dosh !!! great,i wake up to sky sports putting the boot in on west ham.

we have to sell the club before the icelandik bank takes bg’s assets to pay off any debts incoured.premier league have told west ham were to be deducted points IF we were to go into administration.we know the rules so why publicly tell us?

im turning the telly off for a month,not reading a news paper or anything on line,this is not a happy time and 31st january cant come quick enough.or should i say that indian geeza with all the dosh !!!

]]> By: (Un)Happy Hammer http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12981 (Un)Happy Hammer Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:03:51 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12981 On one hand McCabe and Sheffield United are wrong for persuing the compensation claim for lost earnings, but on the other hand we're looking for someone to blame, Brown or Duxberry. I hope we just pay up and get on with it, any true Hammer and football fan will (as much as it hurts me to say) admit West Ham did wrong. If the shoe had have been on the other foot we'd have taken Sheffield United to every court in the land for justice. We did wrong and its time to pay up, Tevez was illegally playing for us for the last 3 matches of the 2006/07 season, look at Droylesdon, they did wrong and were punished immediately. If we're looking for someone to blame we should be looking at the PL Officials, Dave Richards and Richard Scudamore for getting us into this mess. On one hand McCabe and Sheffield United are wrong for persuing the compensation claim for lost earnings, but on the other hand we’re looking for someone to blame, Brown or Duxberry.

I hope we just pay up and get on with it, any true Hammer and football fan will (as much as it hurts me to say) admit West Ham did wrong. If the shoe had have been on the other foot we’d have taken Sheffield United to every court in the land for justice.

We did wrong and its time to pay up, Tevez was illegally playing for us for the last 3 matches of the 2006/07 season, look at Droylesdon, they did wrong and were punished immediately.

If we’re looking for someone to blame we should be looking at the PL Officials, Dave Richards and Richard Scudamore for getting us into this mess.

]]> By: Iain Dale http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12980 Iain Dale Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:59:15 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12980 Dan, I have edited out the swearing from your comment. You are now on a yellow card. Swearing is not allowed on this blog. Dan, I have edited out the swearing from your comment. You are now on a yellow card. Swearing is not allowed on this blog.

]]> By: FrannyZola http://www.westhamtillidie.com/2009/01/01/poll-results-sheffield-united/comment-page-1/#comment-12979 FrannyZola Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:29:32 +0000 http://westham.wordpress.com/?p=787#comment-12979 Why are you swearing Dan? First of all, I don't know why Iain has allowed you to post that comment being a courtious and well mannered gentleman that he is and would want to continue to be known as. I can only assume that his moderation was not on. Secondly, we were having a intelligent debate with no swear words and people have managed to put their opinion and disagree (e.g Stuart) without swearing until you and your deficient IQ come along. The Tevez situation is still misunderstood by many - this is a fact. Brown was the Chairman but Duxbury done the deal. He is also a lawyer so should know all about contracts and should have known FA regulations. Brown would not have been involved here. Whether he introduced Tevez and Mascherano fair enough but it was the CEO (or whatever his title was then) who done the deal. Duxbury could have gone to Brown and said we cannot do the deal because of clause such and such. Therefore Duxbury is most to blame. I can only assume that you're anger is because either you was alone on Christmas or you didn't get the present you wanted. At least you've decided to drown your sorrows with a few glasses which your last sentence quite clearly demonstrates "so xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx having ago about the people who voted brown the should vote for brown" Nice! But don't worry, I still love you man. Why are you swearing Dan?

First of all, I don’t know why Iain has allowed you to post that comment being a courtious and well mannered gentleman that he is and would want to continue to be known as. I can only assume that his moderation was not on.

Secondly, we were having a intelligent debate with no swear words and people have managed to put their opinion and disagree (e.g Stuart) without swearing until you and your deficient IQ come along.

The Tevez situation is still misunderstood by many – this is a fact.

Brown was the Chairman but Duxbury done the deal. He is also a lawyer so should know all about contracts and should have known FA regulations. Brown would not have been involved here. Whether he introduced Tevez and Mascherano fair enough but it was the CEO (or whatever his title was then) who done the deal. Duxbury could have gone to Brown and said we cannot do the deal because of clause such and such. Therefore Duxbury is most to blame.

I can only assume that you’re anger is because either you was alone on Christmas or you didn’t get the present you wanted. At least you’ve decided to drown your sorrows with a few glasses which your last sentence quite clearly demonstrates

“so xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx having ago about the people who voted brown the should vote for brown”

Nice! But don’t worry, I still love you man.

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