Thanks to Jon Colney for pointing out this quote from Big Fat Frankie in the Daily Star. Pay particular note to the last sentence…
“The England thing is not important to me at the moment. What is important is playing well for Chelsea. “When you’re playing well and on top of your game, you’ve got a feeling of confidence. Then there are times during the season when you feel like you can’t put a pass straight. I’ve dropped below the standards I want to set in the past. What player doesn’t. I have nothing to prove. The more experience you get in football, the more you realise that you don’t take notice of what someone wants to say about you isn’t involved in football or is just a fan.”
I’m just about holding myself back from commenting. Oh, sod it. I have always been one of the few to applaud Lampard when he comes back to Upton Park. But he’s shown himself to be a bigger whinger than Roeder. He’s a hugely talented player, and on his day he is a world beater. What a shame he fails to recognise West Ham’s part in his development.
Funny you should say that.
I interviewed Lampard for a website a few years ago and asked him exactly that question. Did he still look for WHU results? How did he feel about them?
I think it’s fair to say that he recognises the role the club played in his development. He also recognises the way the fans treat him now, the way the club treated his father, and he (rightly) wants nothing more to do with the Irons. Except score against you, of course.
If only you boys had a player like that now, you might not be languishing mid-table, eh?
this excatly the point. ON HIS DAY , he may be a worldbeater. but how often does that day come ,especially in an england shirt? not terribly often does it? about as reliable as the C2C train service.
and perhaps most importantly, the FAILURE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE POSITIVE ROLE WESTHAM PLAYED IN HIS DEVELOPMENT,despite the stick he endured at upton park. his time at west ham put him in a position to be earning well over 100 k per week.
contrast that to joe cole. who has ALWAYS readily acknowledged the huge role west ham played in his becoming an outstanding footballer.
Please!!! It was in the Daily Star so he MUST of said it. Have you supporters never worked out why all the decent players leave your club asap and you end up with Dyer, Bellamy, Parker and all the other attitudinal rubbish that no one else wants?
Isnt it funny, you sit there and talk about a ‘fan’… well arent fans fickle and prone to swings in emotion? you cant listen to exactly what ya mate says cos he will change his mind later, so i make Frank right.
Also, fans always jeered him when he played for Wet Spam… so please, puit yourself in his shoes and ask if you would be all praise about the fans and club if that were you…?
As far as I am concerned, the lad needed support, and look what happened when he got it…
Unlucky Wet Spam… 11m was a price that became priceless.
we re not languishing rob. and we do have players like that . mark noble. julien faubert.
if u did your homework ,you d take note that we have 13 players injured,any one of which would normally be in contention for a startting place. so mid-table ,compared to a relegation scrap of last season is nothing to be ashamed of.
contrast that to chelsea ,who despite spending 500 million pounds cumulatively in recent seasons,YES COUNT THEM, 500 MILLION BIG ONES,now look also rans in the “elite” group. not a great return for all that investment. even with the goals comng from lamapard,languishing would seem to be the apt way of describing your performance against the might leicester,at stamford bridge no less.
west ham fans treat him as they do because he lacks manners, and because he conducts himself in a rude and arrogant manner on and off the pitch.
again, contrast that to joe cole, who is always well recieved by west ham supporters ,beacuse he conducts himself like a gentleman.
most of us don t dispute lampard s ability. what we take exception to is his attitude on and off the pitch, at club and international level, and his inconsistency.
we dont miss him. in any way ,shape or form
The trouble is that everyone pores over their words like they are some kind of god. Its not surprising they sometimes say stupid things after all he is just a footballer!
Taken in its context I assume it to mean that comments from fans are often not too objective therefore to be worried about such comments would be silly.
Rob…what you are missing is the fact Lampard plays with World class players around him at Chelsea.
If he came back to West Ham now..it would show how average he actually is!!
The guy can’t tackle or Head the ball still!!…
He gets put into great positions by his team mates,who also make great runs off the ball which helps him look better with the ball & passing.
If u put Noble in his position at Chelsea with all those players around him..he’d look World class as well..
He’s a good player yes!…but World class he’s not!!
New York – we all agree that Lampard’s performances for England haven’t been good over the last 18months. However, he’s not the only one: Gerrard, Rooney, Ferdinand, Robinson to name but a few haven’t played consistently well at international level for 18months but it’s just Frank that gets booed for his performances. People forget that he was the fans choice for ‘England player of the season’ two years running just a short time ago. Give the bloke some credit. He has always said how West Ham asisted his development, but he was treated as badly by the club as as he treated you.
Big Fat Frank may claim to hate West Ham, but he started this ‘feud’ with West Hams.
He came out and wrote his book, taking every opportunity to slag the club off, maybe he was speaking the truth as he saw it but he’s not the first player to get booed by his own club and he won’t be the last.
He goes on about how we all cheered when he broke his leg but know one in the stands knew it was broken. He just loves to feel that everyone hates him.
I always thought he earned his shirt at West Ham and was sorry to see him go, but like Rob says; he had no choice.
But you have to move on. He needs to grow up and get a grip.
Costahammer – rubbish. Look at Steve Sidwell. Above average at Reading. Terrible at Chelsea. The players around him show him to be as inept as he is, wheras Lampard has grown into the leader of the world class players that Chelsea have.
So when Lamps scores another 20 odd goals this season then he’ll still be average? In the last few season’s he’s outscored most permiership strikers.
He has the perfect set-up at chelsea that allows him to get forward.
By the way he scored a header against Leciester…so he can head! ;p
I don’t think you can even mention Mark Noble in the same breath as Lampard yet. The abuse he gets for England is completely moronic. The same fans that voted him Englands bext player 2 years on the trot are now booing him and why? He’s not been Englands worst player, look at some of the blunders by Robinson ffs!
I went to all the matches, when lampard snr was playing, he was and still is a Hammers Hero, every player gets scorned when they F*ck up, and the lampards are no different.
Of course franky realises it was hammers who made him a good player up to 2006, but even he realises his head needs to come out of his ass, his glory days with mourinho are over, that fantasy team of excellence under mourinho only happens once in a lifetime, now Lampard must come to his senses & the real world and move on knowing he is hated by the minority of hammers, but not all.
personally “I cant stand the whinging bitch”
It’s jealousy, that’s all it is. West Ham are jealous because he’s developed into one of the best midfielders in the world and they no longer have him. It’s been downhill for West Ham ever since he, his father and his uncle left. He was sold for 11 million which at the time was the deal of the century for the Irons. Considering the amount of goals and minutes played on the pitch, I can’t think of a player in history that has given a better return on investment. He’s now also one of the highest paid players in the world too. He’s not whinging. He’s laughing… Laughing his head off!
players go to chelsea for one reason only. for money,which comes from siberian oil.
players go the so called “top four” simply because the so-called top four can afford to consistently pay over the odds for top players. or in the case of shevchenko and ballack ,less than top players.
i ll take bellamy and faubert all day long over the overpriced ,underachieving shevchenko and ballack.
leave the insults in silver spoon land. where they belong.
you insult, because as an individual,you don t achieve.
never learn do you? birds of a feather. you and lampard
Frank Lampost is a fat, overated, arrogant twat. I am prouder to have any member of the current squad than him. Plus I think we are doing OK so far, compared to last year considering how many injuries we have. Chelsea even with all their so called tallent bore the tits off me.
Lampard??? Give me Mark Noble any day of the week.
@COSTAHAMMER:
If you are saying any player will shine around World-Class players, then you are definitely wrong.
Look at Steve Sidwell. Best example. Sidwell > Noble, yet he is struggling.
Lampard cannot head the ball? Hope you saw his last ditch goal against Lecister. Also, you fail to notice the number of balls he heads away from the near post while defending corners for Chelsea.
Doesn’t matter if you think he cannot tackle, because that is not something we want him to focus on. He is great going forward and that is what he should be doing.
West Ham fans have NEVER supported Lampard, even when he first came through the ranks. Everyone thought it was Harry giving his nephew a partial advantage, but nobody failed to see how talented he was. You have to understand that Lampard is not a player you can find in just any team. He is one of a kind, not just technically, but also mentally.
England fans never supported him, so don’t whine about it. Over the last few years Lampard has done enough for England. He has been reliable and consistent in his performances. But he was always compared to Gerrard, who in my opinion is more into showboating than playing for his team.
Lampard has come to England’s rescue more times than Gerrard, yet somehow people seem to see the him a negative player for England.
My final word on this is, do not hold a grudge against a player unless you have a personal problem with him, or else every once in a while there will be players such as Lampard coming out to prove everyone wrong.
‘Rob’ – You clearly have no idea of the history behind the Lampard thing so I would advise you to save your comments for Chelski web sites in future.
When Lampard left West Ham I think most fans understood his decision as his father had been sacked along with his uncle ‘Arry, fair play he felt angry towards the club for what he saw as unfair treatment of them. Also, most fans that I knew were sorry to see him go, including myself. At that point if he’d just kept his mouth shut everything would have been ok. Or even if he’d slagged off the club and the fans that booed him, but thanked the fans that didn’t he would have been in order. But what did he do? He ranted to the tabloids for weeks slagging off West Ham fans, the club and everything associated with it. He never once thought to seperate (much less thank) the minority of fans who booed him for never being droppped, from the majority who cheered him on every week since he was a little fat lad!! AND THAT IS HOW HE ALIENATED AND ANGERED ALL WEST HAM FANS. And he’s been a regular in the tabloids ever since, STILL moaning about WHU! He’s not right in the head !
I was NEVER one of Franks detractors and his dad was a boyhood hero of mine. It was a minority of fans that gave him stick, but d’you know what ‘Rob’? i’d rather ‘languish’ mid table than have him back. Long may he continue to play for England I love watching him getting in everyone’s way, cluttering up the midfield. Gareth Barry p!sses all over him. He was upset that his dad was treated badly BY THE CLUB. The fans had nothing to do with FL senior going and I’ll bet there are very few who wanted him gone. So little Frankie sulked and couldn’t deal with the MINORITY of fans who were on his back for being out having it large with Rio and the other boys, when they should have been concentrating on their football. I never agreed with slating him when he was at UP and for years after he went ,despite his slagging of ALL WHU fans as well as the club. Now I don’t give a monkey’s about him and COSTAHAMMER is spot on with what he says about him. Joey Cole on the other hand is a diamond, taken too much for granted by England, you are very lucky to have him.
Rob – you are so deluded and off the mark. Why is that Lampard is now being targeted by England fans too? Why are’nt they doing the same to Ferdinand, Cole or even Heskey instead? Purely, as ‘New York’ says, because Lampard has no class or humility.
His father was fired from his job like many managers and assistants are. Get over it. He couldn’t though so WH sold him because of this and their position of having financial problems that goes with relegation. Instead of moving on Lampard made antagonisitc comments aimed at WH and it’s fans which shows what a badly educated and mannered young man he is. Since then he has never apologised or even been close to attempting to patch things up but continues to try and rub WH fans, and now England fans, up the wrong way. Fickle we may all be at toimes but not stupid.
He fails to admit or acknowledge where he came from and forgets his roots. His lack of class and passion shows for England when he is out of the foreign legion he is surrounded by at Chelsea.
And just like Chelsea’s now plastic fanbase that is more akin to a rugby game (have you ever experienced a quieter away crowd when they come to Upton Park?) he forgets to acknowledge and remember where he came from, who is responsible for his rise to fame and success and the people that once paid his way to get there.
Chelsea were no different to WH several years ago during their yo yo years and only the intervention of serious money changed that yet Chelsea ‘fans’ carry on as if they are something special. Looks to me like Lampard and Chelsea were made for one another.
as for attitudinal rubbish,stamford, look no further than your esteemed DOGBA,who despite being a great player,dives and goes to ground more than anyone in the league.
which is ashame because it makes a mockery of the game ,and detracts from his obvious talent.
and then that fine stamford tradition of crowding around the referee everytime a decision goes against you,so much so that the league continues to fine your for it.
stick the platitudes about attitude with the blue flag,prima donna
how many goals have you scored for chelsea damien?
are you even good enough to play for a sunday league or pub side damien?
could you even run a mile ,without collapsing in a heap and being carted off to a and e ,damien? (what an unlucky name,666)
11 million quid in 2001? great price to receive.
7 million to pay for glen johnson in 2003? waste of money and time.
found the cure for aids or cancer yet damien?
accomplished anything in your life of note?
risked life and limb in afganistan or basra have you?
what exactly have you done with your life damien?
find time to argue the toss on another club s blog which nobody asked you or obliged you to particpate on.
frank lampard gets paid 135,000 grand a week. at that price he can afford to keep his mouth shut ,and focus on his day job,and act with some humility,as opposed to year in a year out ,feud with west ham fans.
part and parcel of getting paid a king s ransom is to be mature enough to not get rattled by comments from supporters of england or of other premiership clubs.
but as fat frank s bank account is he still hasn t mastered that one. and he never will
another in a long back catalogue of moronic comments from the guy who thought 3,000 deaths in the world trade center was amusing. it isn t just sky who pays lampard and everyone else s wages. it s the FANS who shell out 40 to 70 quid a match ,on top of spending money on merchandise ,food and drink etc. for a man not short on calories, lampard finds it too easy to forget which side of his bread is buttered. and who butters it.
Yes we are just fans Frank, and you’re just a shining example of money not being able to buy class or respect. It’s not important how people view you as a footballer, it’s how they view you as a man and no matter how many times he feels the need to portray himself as some kind of victim he’ll always be viewd by his own (and whether he likes it or not he can’t change where he came from) as an arrogant spoilt little brat. I’m not bothered whether Lampard acknowledges West Ham at all, compared to the great players we have seen play for us Lampard jnr is a nonentity both on and off the field.
HAHA I THINK HE WILL BE WORLD BEST THIS YEAR; HE ALRYDE BEGAN THAT PROSES: SO YOU SEY THAT ESSIEN AND DROGBA MAKE HIM BETTER? I LAUFING: LOOK AT CHELSEA WHIT OUT FRANK?
@costahammer
I think you are someone who missed out on every goal that Lampard score or set up……
Because if u have indeed watched him play then you wouldnt be saying things like that….
And nobody gets picked from West Ham to play for Chelsea if he is just average….
Check out his timely hat-trick against Leicester City-now u cant say that was just because he is in a great team! Look at the team-they let in 3 goals! And still Frankie stood out!
He is not just a good player…he is a great player!
Rob
It’s so easy to say all that in your cozy little world.
Chelsea are where they are because a dodgy Russian billionaire injected millions and they bought success. If it wasn’t for him you would be in the First Division without all your bandwagon fans. I remember watching Chesea when they nearly went under in the eighties playing to empty stadiums. Where was all the support then? Funny I don’t recall knowing any Chelsea fans back then. Now I know plenty.
Anyway, the point is Chelsea have not been able to develop their own players since the 1970′s and probably never will again. Chelsea, along with the other “big” clubs are killing the English game and none of them give a s***.(Lampard:”The England THING is not important to me at the moment”)
So, WH may be languishing mid table but we are proud of our tradition and contribution to the English game. Something you can’t buy.
Fair enough, guys. It must be the players around him, and the injury list, and oh wait we don’t have any money, and he’s fat, and blah blah blah fucking blah until everyone has torn their own earlobes off in sheer boredom.
I’ll end with a quote from, I think, Platoon.
Excuses are like arseholes. Everyone’s got one. Except in West Ham’s case,… at every home game, they have 25,000/
I agree that FL is not world class. He has good points to his game and bad points. But people are always too busy highlighting the good that they miss his inconsistency and his complete reliance on the hard work and service of the players around him. This enables him to advance forward and get the goals, gladly lapping up the glory in the process and pointing to a God he doesn’t believe in because he saw Ronaldinho do it and he thinks it might up his own profile.
After FL left West Ham I remember games against Chelsea where Carrick played him off the pitch. Ask me now which of the two I would rather have and I know what my answer is.
It’s all very well saying that the fans didn’t treat FL well but he knows what West Ham fans are like and he knows the do’s and don’ts. He grew up in the east end.
But because he handled it like the brat he is, looking down his nose at West Ham, he has turned the minority of West Ham fans hating him into a majority. I had nothing against him until he left and got the hump. So he’s brought alot of this stick on himself IMV.
Slag frank off all you like the fact is you where booing him when he was one of one your own , he’s quite right in what he says , who gives a toss what anyone says as long as he’s doing it for chelsea.
and can i just add 11million?got to be bargain of the century , he’s not just a world class player he’s a now a chelsea LEGEND , the fact of the matter is you wanted him out he left and the rest is history as is the battle of parsons green.
After reading all of these replies, what is clear to me is that Frank Lampard still makes Hammers fans give a passionate opinion.
Frank Lampard lacks class and respect? Have you listened to an interview of his? have you seen how he conducts himself? does he rashly challenge people and get red cards all the time?
Look at the facts…
1. he makes Chelsea tick and has scored over 60 goals in 3 seasons, only 1 player in the league can match that and hes now gone to Barca.
2. He covers more blades of grass than anyone… and also holds th record for longest run of games without missing one (164). Not bad for a fat bloke!
3. Barca want him (cant be a crap player if they want him in the glory team of the decade)
4. Everyone in the game bar the players who he makes look average thinks he is world class… Gerrard hates him cos he knows he is not as good as him… put Lampard alongside Barry and watch the goals and the team play well…
5. Take Frank out of team and look, England dont qualify for Euros…
Just face it, you hate him cos he is just that DAMN GOOD.
West Hams Reply btw… what a joke, Frank Lampard, inconsistent? you are really ‘avin a Larf!
Just to give you a clue… a team is the sum of its components… so therefore, for people to play well, the players around them need to play well. Very few people can do stuff with a ball with 4 players around them. In fact, Ronaldinho and Zizou are the only 2 i can think of who do it effortlessly.
fact is, when you had him, you took the piss, and abused him, now that he has left and gone to bigger and better things, you are like spurned lovers that can’t let go…..Boo Him all you want he thrives on it , especially coming from Hammers fans. The funny thing is, he loved West ham, was was a hammer through and through and you lot booed him, just cause his uncle was the manager and you were going through a rough patch, not realising that the whole team were under performing not just Frank
….Chelsea fans treated him with respect from day one…maybe you should learn to
do the same with your future players….twats
I think this is a fascinating thread, full of properly considered and well articulated comment. May I add my own contribution? Frank Lampard is a fat, whingeing cunt. “Hi! Just got back from playing like a complete twat at the world cup. Here’s my book…”
Lampard performances for England agreeably is not as great as his performances for when he were at chelsea and west ham. Regardless of what you believe in him as a person “sensitive”, “whingy” etc which i would not argue with you, this booing thing is not beneificial for england. Sometimes he is not even the worst player on the pitch, there may b others who have played crap, yet he still gets the pantomime treatment. If a big prt of a football plyrs game is confidence, then plp should b more encouraging then perhaps we can get alot of goals?????
There are very few WHU fans who will say Lampard isn’t a top class player and they wished he was still with the Irons. His father was treated poorly by the club, but he was in so tight with Harry that he had to go at the same time. Harry’s dealings in the transfer market were questionable at best and there were so many reasons he had to go that most of us will never come to know the full extent. The problem that the WHU fans have with Frank Jr. is the ungracious and petulant way in which he chose to conduct himself after leaving the club. If he had chose to carry himself with dignity and thank the fans who supported, worshipped him through his WHU upbringing (and paid his wages), he would be held in great esteem to this day. You don’t see Joe Cole, Rio ferdinand or Michael Carrick pilloried by the fans when they play against West Ham, but there is a consistent message to the Paul Ince’s and the Frank Lampard’s who choose to bite the hand that fed them….. you will always be welcomed back…. the East End way.
One day all the Chelsea fans having a go at us will have a go at BFF when he leaves them. How can the son of Frank Senior been brought up to think we are “just fans”. OK so we dont all have model girlfriends who we have impregnated, drive Hummers and wear bling, but surely his dad played in an era where players respected the fans who gave them the privileges they deserved. So BFF learn a lesson, treat fans with respect or in time it will be the Chelsea boys booing you as well.
I’m pleased to see chelsea’s crowds have improved since the 80′s when they regularly attracted the pathetic total of 6000 fans or the 90′s when they reached the heady heights of 14,000.That’s why nobody takes their fickle supporters seriously.Frank lampard junior is a cretinous individual who needs to get over west ham and move on.
you can have lampard and the boring,soulless football you play.
money can t buy love and your day in the sun ended the moment mourinho saw sense and left your club.
we don t envy you for having lampard nor do we regret his departure from west ham.
west ham and its supporters have moved on.
lampard has not moved on ,and hasn t matured or learned a thing from his mistakes.
nobody obligated frank to play football. nobody promised he would be loved or respected.
respect is earned ,and it doesn t just come with automatically with a 100 grand paycheck per week .
most hammers,myself included ,don t question his ability. we acknowledge his talent,although there are varying opinions on whether that means he s good, very good, or exceptional.
what west ham fans ,myself included,do object to though are his attitude over many years,which has included stoking confrontations with all different people. with west ham supporters,with england supporters,with american citizens who are offended by his making jokes about the september 11 terrorist incidents. you name it- lampard has been very successful at alienating a lot of people ,the world over. it is not just west ham supporters he has alienated. he s worth a lot of money, and he had a comfortable ,privileged education and upbringing. but he lacks class,manners and basic human decency . always has and always will. pretty hollow life really,no matter how much silverware is in his house.
you go onto westham blogs ,although you are chelsea supporters,because you have nothing better to do, because you are in low paying jobs or unemployed and therefore have a lot of time on your hands ,and you hurl inane insults, often with bad spelling and grammar,because you don t have real friends to spend time with in life. instead you choose to get into immature verbals from behind a screen ,with full anonymity,because you lack the courage to do it face to face.
nobody asked you to appear here. if you don t like the point of views expressed here,then stick to your own blue flag blogs.
what do you accvomplish apart from showing yourselves up, showing up chelsea supporters and chelsea football club, and show up football supporters as a whole by conducting yourselves like rude ,arrogant ,obnoxious people? to the chelsea supporters who made reasonable responses,without petty insults ,this does not apply.
i just think he eats too many pies
Lampard averages 20 goals a season, over 15 assists a season, tracks back and defends all game long (please dont comment on his defensive qualities if you dont watch him week in week out like us), 11 million pound a bargain, England fans player of the year twice in a row, runner up to ronaldinho in world footballer of the year, football writers player of the year, masses of charity work outside of football (mock that if you like, but how much do any of you lot do?)
Basically, whatever he does will never be enough for the sad west hams fans who cannot stomach that they are a second rate club with thick thugs for fans and bleat on about how ‘we won the world cup’ back in 66. What have you won since?
And to the guy that spoke about our russian billions, football is full of money, only team not to have won by spending were UTD with their youngsters and fair play I would have loved to have done it that way, but hey we didnt and what you fail to realise i we dont care what you think,we were there when we were shit, there when we were good, and if we go back to being shit, at least we will ditch the hangers on that cropped up when we started winning. Most of the proper fans wouldnt mind us a dropping down a bit anyway.Be the like the old days. Crumbling stadium, shit football ahhh happy days!
And the guy saying he’d prefer foubert and noble.behave yourself please!
If the England thing is not important for you Frankie just step aside. Please. Let someone else who’ll do the shirt proud take your place.
Frank ‘Frankie’ Lampard talking to the Daily Star! What will SUPER GOALS think! Fair play to him though, he knows a good deflection when he sees one. I’m just a fan, and i’d have never seen those several dozen he saw, and attempted to pick out, during the World Cup finals in 2006. You can’t win ‘em all though, ‘lamps.
I personally think Frank Lampard Jnr. is an excuse making, average performing player who isn’t fit to lace John Doolan’s boots. He just happens to have a bit of talent somewhere which occasionally makes an appearance. When he flashes some talent, the sports media purr over it – he is a talent which makes money and should therefore be pushed. He won back-to-back league titles so he’s obviously no mug, and those stats of his are impressive, but like “Stevie G” at Liverpool, its all talk and little product most of the time.
I must go and increase his weight on Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 and make him a little rounder… Childish but funny
Booing at Wembley isn’t funny though, that’s sad.
Just remember that Russians millions got you out of the financial mire when he bought Lampard, Cole and Johnson.
You can say what you like but without him you WHU fans might not have had a club to support!
Lampard?, who is Lampard?
One man couldnt carry ,couldnt carry Lumpard, one man and his forklift truck couldnt carry Lampard,
Two man couldnt carry, couldnt carry Lamp………………………………..
He just cant be playing for the mighty Hammers anymore, our shirts is just XL;-)
West Ham til i die
he’s still fat
well im westham till i die lv them 2 death cmon the hammers kick them bolton asses tommorow.
Ah, the illustrious Frank Lampard Jnr. I have feelings for Chelsea, if only you knew, but Being Frank keeps spouting his mouth off. Do you think we are pussies Frank ? Nah. Just a fan Frank. We pay your wages. The ordinary man who goes to work forty, fifty , sixty hours a week with three kids & nagging wife who goes to the football to see his team win & feel good pays your wages. I watched Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, George Best, Peter Osgood, Jimmy Greaves play. Just a fan Frank ? You don’t even play for England very well any more. Take a leaf from your Dad & your Uncles book. Don’t slag the club who you served your apprenticeship with. Show some respect.